In our action-packed 30th episode Ed and Chris discussed their experiences with JavaScript testing tools, specifically how certain tools push you towards specific refactoring patterns. Chris talked about the successful launch of his latest book on using PHPUnit and got into some honest talk about revenue and how the product development course helped him make this book do 4 times the launch day revenue of his previous one. Ed discussed his plans to talk about mental illness on the conference circuit this year. Please help out by donating to the campaign!

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This was a tricky episode where we talk about some big genuine issues that affect PHP developers around the world, and we talked a lot about a t-shirt. After Chris Hartjes cheated on his /dev/hell podcast by joining us in Episode 3, Chris' partner in crime Ed "Funkatron" Finkler decided to get revenge and come on the show. Our other guest Miko Federmann is a brilliant PHP and C developer who is a friend of Phil and Ben. She joins us on the show to discuss the recent hullabaloo known as "PHPness Gate" and the obviously connected issue of sexism in the industry.

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