Yes I know'"with the framework in progress, we don't need no more stinkin' frameworks. Except there's a couple I've seen recently which are noteworthy. I haven't delved into the source code in any depth'"exploring framework code bases has become as much fun as watching paint dry, but there are some interesting ideas here, if you're looking to new angles on the problem.

The "new angles" he mentions are:

• For Tonic, the fact that it's a "RESTful" environment and feels like web.py in its development
• And for Code Igniter, because it has a "Rails-esque" with an interesting approach to URL mapping.