The PHP Town Hall podcast has posted their latest episode with hosts Phil Sturgeon and Ben Edmunds - Episode #35, Developer to CTO and Back. This episode features guests Gary Hockin and Jacques Woodcock.

The grass is always greener on the other side, but we have a little talk with Gary Hockin and regular guest Jacques Woodcock about the pros and cons of going up and down the chain of command in the developer world. After all, it doesn’t just need to be a one-way street. We also talk about a few general bits, like whether PHP 5.7 should have happened, should we cry over spilled constructors and Gary bangs on for ages about how Waterfall is better than Agile.

You can listen to this latest episode in a few different ways - either through the in-page audio player, by downloading the mp3 or watching the recording of the live session over on YouTube. If you enjoy the show be sure to subscribe to their feed for more great episodes.