The Voices of the ElePHPant podcast has released their latest in their series of interviews with members of the PHP community. In this new episode host Cal Evans talks with Eryn O'Neil.

Cal and Eryn about some of her work and presentations about managing development groups and "what to do when a project goes bad". She talks about making a culture where it's okay to mess up, a "shame free culture". She suggests making a switch in the industry towards an atmosphere like this and some of their own experiences with other developers in the past (and how the situation was pushed in a more positive way).

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