The Voices of the ElePHPant podcast has posted their latest episode interviewing another member of the PHP community. In this new show host Cal Evans talks with Brian Fenton of the San Francisco PHP User Group

Cal and Brian talk about the talks that he presented at the North East PHP Conference about unit testing and "professional-grade software design". Brian also shares some of his recommendations about creating this professional-grade software, mostly around decoupled systems with small pieces working together. They also talk about some of the games that Brian plays, some that are a bit out of the mainstream. The episode ends with Cal and Brian discussing conference speaking and why it's a good idea to practice talks at user groups before presenting at a full conference.

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