The Full Stack Radio podcast has posted their latest episode, Episode #37, featuring an interview with Chris Hartjes, most well known for his promotion and teaching about writing tests (unit, functional, integration, etc) for your applications.

n this episode, Adam talks to the Grumpy Programmer himself about getting started with testing PHP applications.

Topics include: recommended testing tools, PHPUnit vs. phpspec, Mockery vs. Prophecy, the benefits of defensive programming and how to convince your manager to let you write tests.

They also mention Chris' new book "Minimum Viable Tests" and the Patchwork monkey patching library. You can listen to this latest episode either using the in-page audio player or by downloading the mp3 of the episode directly. Be sure to subscribe to their feed or follow them on Twitter for more information as new episodes are released.