The Dads in Dev podcast, with hosts David Hemphill and Andrew Del Prete, has posted a new episode where they share some about the origins of Laravel Nova and React Rally experiences.

In this episode David talks about his Florida vacation, the recent Laravel Nova launch and controversy, and Andrew's wild time at React Rally.

Other topics mentioned include:

• the Bumble CMS
• Michael Chan's "Hot Garbage: Clean Code is Dead" talk
• the Living Room Trail in Utah

You can listen to this latest episode either using the in-page audio player or by downloading the mp3 directly. If you enjoy the show, be sure to subscribe to their feed and follow them on Twitter for updates when new shows are released.