On Reddit.com there's a discussion happening comparing two popular and prominent PHP frameworks - Zend Framework 2 and Symfony 2.

For those that have used both frameworks, what one do you feel is a better overall framework? I tried ZF2 in beta and it seemed overly complicated to symfony but I don't know if its gotten better since then.

Opinions shared in the comments of the post include things like:

• "So if you are learning for job prospects, go Zend. I love Symfony 2 though, its a joy to work with."
• "It doesn't matter. Each has a strength and a weakness, and neither will go away. Pick one and use it, you'll be fine."
• "I don't think there is such thing as a best framework as you should use the best tool for the job. I don't think MVC is the solution to all problems."
• "Both are quite bloated but they have to be considering their target markets."

On the whole, the views are of the "best tool for the job" mentality - a good sign for the community and these two frameworks.