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PHP Roundtable:
041: The PHP-FIG: Past, Present & Future
Mar 10, 2016 @ 09:17:10

The PHP Rountable podcast, hosted by Sammy Kaye Powers has published their latest episode - Episode #41: The PHP-FIG: Past, Present & Future.

The PHP-FIG has really helped the PHP community get onboard the collaboration train with really great standards like the PSR-4 autoloading standard and the PSR-7 HTTP message interfaces.

We discuss PSR-0 through PSR-13 and the process they go through to become standards. We also discuss where the FIG came from and the possible big changes coming to the organization soon.

This episode features a large group of guests, all related to the PHP-FIG in some way:

You can watch this episode either through the in-page video player or directly over on Youtube. Be sure to subscribe to their feed and follow them on Twitter for updates on when the latest episodes are being recorded and are released.

tagged: phproundtable podcast ep41 phpfig past present future video

Link: https://www.phproundtable.com/episode/the-php-framework-interop-group-past-present-future

Reddit.com:
How do you see the PHP-FIG?
Dec 14, 2015 @ 09:48:49

There's been a big discussion happening over on the PHP-FIG (Framework Interoperability Group) mailing list recently about the goals and vision for the project. While the group originally started out as a way to define standards for frameworks and projects to work together, some have begun to wonder if it's a bit more far reaching than that. This discussion/poll on Reddit sums up the question nicely:

There are some ongoing discussions on the PHP-FIG mailing list about, among other things, how the FIG is seen by the wider PHP community. [...] Since an earlier discussion pointed out that perhaps the FIG, while well-known, don't do enough "active outreach", consider this an attempt to "reach out."

Do you think:

  • The FIG is a bunch of self-aggrandizing elitist jerks who couldn't write a competent or useful "proposed standards recommendation" if their lives depended on it, and should disband entirely.
  • The FIG, while aware that the wider PHP community is watching, writes PSRs primarily for itself, and others can adopt or ignore as they wish;
  • The FIG has become the closest thing to a userland standards group that the PHP community has, and should accept that role;
  • Some other opinion?

There's already 50+ comments on the thread with several of the options being supported. There seems to be a leaning towards either the second option or the third with advantages and disadvantages for both. The group has undoubtably helped to change the way that modern PHP is written and they want to keep the tradition going and be what the community and language need. Go over an voice your own opinion on the matter too!

tagged: phpfig organization opinion poll standards community feedback interoperability

Link: https://www.reddit.com/r/PHP/comments/3wownq/how_do_you_see_the_phpfig/

Community News:
PHP-FIG Website Relaunch
Oct 26, 2015 @ 11:27:30

The PHP Framework Interoperability Group (or PHP-FIG for short) has just released a new version of their website with a great new look and even better organization for the PSR content: http://php-fig.org. They just tweeted about it too:

What do you think of our new website? Slicker, cleaner and easier on the eyes. Give us your feedback! :)

The new version of the site provides sections not only for the details around currently accepted standards but also on current proposals, members of the organization, bylaws and frequently asked questions about the group. They also have links to some resources where you can get involved if you're interested in the group and what they're up to.

tagged: phpfig website relaunch interoperability group redesign

Link: http://www.php-fig.org/

Symfony Blog:
PSR-7 Support in Symfony is Here
Jun 01, 2015 @ 12:19:15

The Symfony project has officially announced PSR-7 support in the latest version of the framework. PSR-7 is a recently approved standard by the PHP-FIG to make a more structured HTTP request and response structure (to aid in interoperability).

Less than 2 weeks ago, the PHP community roundly accepted PSR-7, giving PHP a common set of HTTP Message Interfaces. This has huge potential for interoperability and standardization across all of PHP. This is especially true for middleware: functions that hook into the request-response process. In the future, a middleware written around these new interfaces could be used in any framework. [...] Today, a huge number of projects use Symfony's Request and Response classes (via the HttpFoundation component), including Laravel, Drupal 8 and StackPHP.

[...] For that reason, we're thrilled to announce the 0.1 release of the PSR HTTP Message Bridge: a library that can convert Symfony Request and Response objects to PSR-7 compatible objects and back. This means that once there are middleware written for PSR-7, applications using HttpFoundation will be compatible.

The bridge makes it simpler to swap out the HTTP layer by converting the HTTP objects into something other frameworks can use (or so others can be used by Symfony). They provide some examples of how to put it to use, converting objects both to and from the standard Symfony HttpFoundation versions. There's also a quick note about the RequestInterface and ResponseInterface structure that allows you to bridge your own gaps between the PSR-7 friendly components and Symfony.

tagged: psr7 support httpfoundation request response http bridge phpfig

Link: http://symfony.com/blog/psr-7-support-in-symfony-is-here

Matthew Weier O'Phinney:
PSR-7 Accepted!
May 20, 2015 @ 09:55:41

As Matthew Weier O'Phinney mentions in his latest post, the PSR-7 standard (HTTP) has passed and is officially accepted as a standard by the PHP-FIG group.

The road to PSR-7 was a long and winding one. It started in summer of 2012 as a draft proposal on HTTP clients by Benjamin Eberlei, during which others proposed that perhaps a smaller standard on the HTTP message interfaces themselves — which would also allow targeting server-side applications, as those rely on the messages.

He follows the proposal's flow through the PHP-FIG process, pointing out several others who contributed along the way and what changed along the way. He also includes a section of thanks for some of the other developers and PHP-FIG members that made contributions along the way.

tagged: psr7 phpfig accepted standard history

Link: https://mwop.net/blog/2015-05-18-psr-7-accepted.html

Phil Sturgeon:
A Quick Note on PSR Numbering
May 06, 2015 @ 09:41:55

With a lot of talk happening around the PSR-7 HTTP request/response proposal and PSR-4 being the last "official" standard to be posted, some people are wondering what happened to PSR-5 and 6. Phil Sturgeon, a previous member of the PHP-FIG, has posted some clarification to how the PSR process works and where those seemingly missing PSR numbers are at.

The last PSR from the FIG to be sent out into the world, to be used by whoever felt like using it, was PSR-4: Autoloader. Now people are starting to hear about PSR-7, and they’re starting to “lolphp”, wondering what has happened to PSR-5 and PSR-6. [...] This is not like The Neverending Muppet Debate of PHP 6 v PHP 7, despite it being the first though to pop into many peoples heads. Instead, this is down to the Workflow Bylaw I put into place last year.

He goes on to talk about the current workflow stages and how, unlike systems in other languages, the PHP-FIG's process gives proposals a PSR number even before they're published and accepted. He also briefly talks about PSR "nicknames", naming to differentiate between similar proposals and how, despite the need for these names, they're just reference points for conversations more than anything.

tagged: psr7 psr proposal workflow process numbering naming phpfig

Link: https://philsturgeon.uk/php/2015/05/05/psr7-numeric-workflow/

Evert Pot:
PSR-7 is imminent, and here's my issues with it.
Mar 04, 2015 @ 09:26:37

Evert Pot has written up a new post today with some of his thoughts about what's wrong with the PSR-7 proposal in the PHP-FIG. PSR-7 relates to a standardized interface for HTTP request and response handling.

PSR-7 is pretty close to completion. PSR-7 is a new 'PHP standard recommendation', put out by the PHP-FIG group, of which I'm a member of. [...] PSR-7 gets a lot of things right, and is very close to nailing the abstract data model behind HTTP, better than many other implementations in many programming languages.

But it's not perfect. I've been pretty vocal about a few issues I have with the approach. Most of this has fallen on deaf ears. I accept that I might be a minority in feeling these are problems, but I feel compelled to share my issues here anyway. Perhaps as a last attempt to sollicit change, or maybe just to get it off my chest.

He breaks up his thoughts into a few different categories, each with a summary and sometimes some code to help make his point a bit more clear. He talks about immutability, how objects will be immutable and shows an example of change in how Silex would have to function to follow the standard (with before/after). He then goes on to talk about the "issue with streams" and how the current proposal could allow for changing of the incoming request into a new one with new headers...not immutable. He ends the post talking about PSR-7's stance on buffering responses and how, even if his project doesn't adopt the PSR in the strictest sense, they may still take some inspiration from it.

tagged: psr7 issues opinion phpfig http standard request response

Link: http://evertpot.com/psr-7-issues/

PHP Town Hall:
Episode 36: PSR-7 and the World of Tomorrow
Feb 11, 2015 @ 12:17:34

The PHP Town Hall podcast has release the latest episode today - Episode #36: PSR-7 and the World of Tomorrow. In it hosts Phil Sturgeon and Ben Edmunds are joined by Hari KT and Matthew Weier O'Phinney to discuss the PSR-7 HTTP message proposal currently in the works by the PHP-FIG.

Now PSR chats can be a little boring when its about autoloading or tabs v bloody spaces, but this PSR could have some really big impact on the way you write PHP over the next few years. We talk a bunch about Aura and Zend and their plans around middlewares, what motivated Matthew to get involved with taking over PSR-7, what middlewares mean for PHP in general and some of the concerns that have been fixed in recent iterations of the PSR like mutability, streams, etc. There also a bit of chat about turtles, standing desks and broken ribs, while Phil slowly goes loopy on pain killers.

You can catch this latest episode in a few different ways: either through the in-page audio player, by downloading the mp3 or by watching the live recording over on YouTube. Be sure to subscribe to their feed if you enjoy the episode.

tagged: phptownhall podcast ep36 psr7 phpfig proposal

Link: http://phptownhall.com/blog/2015/02/02/episode-36-psr-7-the-world-of-tomorrow/

Matthias Noback:
Packages: the case for clones
Nov 17, 2014 @ 11:55:21

In a new post to his site Mattias Noback makes a case for clones (in response to this post from Phil Sturgeon). In it he defends the creation of "clones" of tools, either slightly different version of pre-existing PHP packages or the functionality from a package in another language.

There is this ongoing discussion in the PHP community (and I guess in every software-related community) about reinventing wheels. A refreshing angle in this debate came from an article by Phil Sturgeon pointing to the high number of "duplicate" packages available on Packagist. I agree with Phil. [...] It doesn't make sense to do the same thing over and over again. At least I personally don't try to make this mistake. If I want to write code that "already exists", at least I don't publish it on Packagist. However, recently I got myself into the business of "recreating stuff" myself.

He talks some about one of his own projects (SumpleBus) and how, despite it possibly being a clone of other packages, it has slightly different goals than other tools, making it a different tool, not just a straight up clone. He also covers some of the package design principles he suggests in his book and how they can help to make an isolated package better. He also points out how recent PHP-FIG efforts to define common interfaces and structures can help reduce this kind of package duplication as well by reducing the possible implementations of any given process.

tagged: package reinvent wheel opinion duplication design principles phpfig clone

Link: http://php-and-symfony.matthiasnoback.nl/2014/11/packages-the-case-for-clones/

Pádraic Brady:
Security Oriented PSR Proposed to PHP-FIG
Nov 11, 2014 @ 11:56:42

Pádraic Brady has a new post to his site today talking about a security-oriented PSR that's being proposed to the PHP-FIG group (by Lukas Smith). The proposal suggests the creation of a security policy to be used by members of the PHP-FIG and a way to make sharing security issues more standardized.

Lukas Kahwe Smith recently brought forward an idea to PHP-FIG with two broad objectives for a new PSR: To write a security policy that could be adopted by members; and proposal to make sharing security vulnerabilities more common and standardised. He has invited interested people to express their interest in joining a separate mailing list to discuss the details: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/php-fig/45AIj5bPHJ4. Larry Garfield of Drupal and Korvan Szanto of concrete5 CMS have offered to sponsor the proposal.

He talks some about security policies in general - what they are, why they're a good idea and what Lukas is proposing for PHP projects. He also briefly covers the publishing of vulnerability data, the different options for publishing them and how the standardization of it could be integrated with current tools (Composer anyone)?

tagged: phpfig security standard reporting proposal discussion

Link: http://blog.astrumfutura.com/2014/11/security-oriented-psr-proposed-to-php-fig/